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FLAGSHIP PODCAST
Then the world started listening.
We did not always agree.
We still do not.
But we kept talking.
Those conversations became
A podcast built around
two distinct voices and one real relationship.
THE BOOK
COMING DECEMBER 2026
Now we're
writing it down.
Thirteen doesn't just happen to the daughter. It happens to the mother too.
At 13, one is becoming a teen
and growing into herself.
At 47, the other is turning 13
as a mother, and discovering that she still has growing to do alongside her daughter.
This is the "Mini Golf argument."
The "Get Out of Jail Free Card."
The "3D Glasses."
This is 13 from both sides.
Between Us. Unfiltered at 13.
One Mother. One Daughter.
Two Individual Voices.
One Unusually Close Bond.
Still Between Us. Still Unfiltered.
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